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How does Cameron get out of his NHS fix?

February 11th, 2012

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What is his least worst option and will he pick it?

The Conservatives entered the 2010 election campaign with ambitious plans to make significant reforms to the NHS, education provision and welfare and benefits – three of the biggest spending departments of government – on top of tackling the deficit and re-establishing economic stability after the biggest boom and bust since the War. It would have been an ambitious agenda for a single-party government with a majority. In retrospect, attempting to do it all despite the constraints of coalition was asking too much.

That the one to have run into trouble is healthcare is unsurprising: it’s the most complex, the rationale for undertaking it wasn’t well-made and it touches on an area many political activists feel strongly about as a matter of principle. In a good summary, antifrank posted yesterday that the government has three options: to withdraw the Bill, to plough on regardless, or to make further major changes but pretend that they’re carrying on. None of the options will be appealing.

If the government withdraws the Bill, it takes a huge political hit. The short-term damage would be bad enough, where the government’s plans would look (and be) in disarray, where Labour would claim a major victory and where Lansley’s position would at best be under severe pressure. The long-term damage would be even worse. Losing the reforms outright would enable Labour to scaremonger very effectively on what they would claim would have happened and the Tories (and Lib Dems) would have no adequate response.

Consequently, the government has no real option but to plough on, making concessions as necessary. It has now got to the stage where for the government, it is more important politically that the Bill is passed than that the Bill does anything.

Because few people understand what the reforms are about, even fewer understand what each concession or amendment means. There’s therefore little damage sustained when they are made. With no realistic prospect of radical reform, the next best option for the government and particularly the Tories, given that a Tory is Health Secretary, is to be able to go into the next election saying “we’ve run the NHS for five years, enacted reform, and the service has improved”. Labour will of course dispute that last point but if it comes down to a media numbers game, the debate becomes background noise.

Where the Lib Dems fit into the equation is not easily answered but very important. The whole reform started to go wrong for the government following a revolt at last year’s Lib Dem Spring Conference. That disquiet has not gone away and the government should be keen to get the Bill enacted within the month if possible to prevent a repetition.

Were the Conference to bounce the parliamentary party and leadership into opposing the Bill, it would place tremendous tensions within both the Lib Dems and the Coalition, and it’s difficult to see how anyone on the government benches comes out ahead in that scenario. To what extent the activists, caught in their own bubble as activists in all conferences are, will appreciate that is a moot point.

That Cameron is committed to Lansley – and implicitly to the Bill – was clear at PMQ’s this week. He can’t afford to be anything other. Whether he remains committed to Lansley once the reform – in what ever shape it eventually ends up – is on the statue book is an entirely different question. I wouldn’t bet on it.

David Herdson




  • antifrank

    I’ve placed worse bets, but offhand I’m struggling to recall them.

  • antifrank

    England is the kingdom of Athelstan. /pedant

  • DavidL

    ” surely the only point of production is so we can consume? ”

    Absolutely not. We need to export and make some money to pay off our debts. That is why I personally would put a lot more emphasis on capital allowances than personal allowances.

  • Anonymous

    The biggest social problem we face is indeed welfare and education and they are both linked.  Never mind the economy where labour have shown themselves totally unfit, they have totally shattered our welfare system and hidden it with mass immigration.

  • MrsB

    Following the reasoning of the Tories that doctors should be managing the NHS, here’s my cunning plan for sorting out everything:

    Dr Doolittle for Defra (on the grounds that he could talk to the animals)

    Dr Strangelove for Defence (he’d be a whizz at weapons procurement)

    On mature reflection, Dr Goebbels would not be a good choice for Culture, Media and Sport, so perhaps Dr Dre?

    Dr Seuss for Education (because of his expertise in Early Years)

    And Dr Who for Transport (blindingly obvious)

  • Anonymous

    They think everybody is as daft and as gullible as they are..

  • Socrates

    “I would fully support and elected assembly for the North of England having seen the way a Labour administration in Wales can stand up for the Welsh people against the Conservative-led Westminster government – that’s exactly what I want for us too.”

    So they’re quite open about doing it for partisan reasons.

    “So as Scotland debates further devolution or independence let’s not forget about the North of England’s increasing political marginalisation – we have the skills, resources and talent to have our own elected assembly too. Then maybe we can start closing this divide.”

    Has Wales started to close the divide since devolution, or has local Labour government actually caused it to fall further behind? When I was reading about Wales declining educational standards recently, I couldn’t help but think how many hours were spent on teaching children in Cardiff how to speak Welsh, rather than Spanish or Mandarin.

  • Anonymous

    Despite my suggestion of betting on Santorum getting the GOP VP nomination at odds of around 25/1 being ridiculed by OGH and others, I see that the buy price with Betfair has now shortened to 5/1.
    So at the very least this was a great lay!

  • Socrates

     We ridiculed the idea he would actually get it, rather than the idea it was a good bet.

  • Anonymous

    Tim,

    We have a problem in Merseyside with Mayoral referenda …

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16852126

    “On Tuesday at an Extraordinary Council meeting, city politicians will
    consider using powers under the Localism Act
    2011 to move to a directly elected mayor.

    If the motion is carried Liverpool will skip a referendum on the issue –
    which other major cities will be holding – and instead run mayoral elections on
    3 May.”

    Labour thinks it will win so why ask the public?

  • Anonymous

    with reference to dividends I was thinking more along the line of investors such as pension funds. Taking away taxation will boost both struggling pension funds and therefore give relief to businesses and also boost the stock market.

  • The Screaming Eagles

    Steve Webb makes an almost inarguable case for experts in their fields becoming Ministers for those fields.

  • Max

    Hence the increase of the personal allowance. Even so, we need to draw business away from Germany, the pie is going to be the same size all the way through the next few years, the only way our slice is going to get bigger is by drawing business away from our competitors, which to me is f*ck Germany, f*ck France and f*ck any country who want to try and compete with us. If the EU have a problem f*ck them as well.

  • Anonymous

    to quote an Indian minister “peanuts”

  • The Screaming Eagles

    It would top the Hazel Blears as next Labour Leader bets.

  • Anonymous

     I hear the Doncaster Mayer gets himself a pretty good press. When he first took office he was at the mercy of been completely new to local government and a totally dysfunctional council that was about to be taking over by the Government.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrea-Parma/578831001 Andrea Parma

    They already voted this week. Liverpool will have a directly elected mayor (62 votes to 3 with 12 abstentions)

  • Max

    No, we can boost the stock market by increasing shareholder value by making it easier (and cheaper) for companies to invest their money in the UK and grow their businesses. That will increase the supply of jobs and eventually increase corporation tax receipts and also increase payroll tax receipts as more jobs are created.

    Dividend tax relief helps pension funds and, err, pension funds. They will see an increase in the value of their shares as companies invest better and grow their businesses (and profits) longer term.

  • Socrates

     Agreed. But opening up the planning system would allow a lot of capital investment. Building upwards is probably a more sensible strategy than building outwards, but its ridiculously lengthy process to do.

  • Anonymous

    Andrea,

    Yes, straight to an election. A lot of people on the outskirts here aren’t happy at all – they see control by the centre writ large.

    It’ll be a 20% turnout overall and about 100% by Militant.

  • Anonymous

     There was a massive social services scandal in Doncaster with several child deaths when under control of a Labour mayor who then fell out with labour.
    That undermined the concept of mayor.  The govt took over running the council in 2009.

    This tells us more about inccompetence and corruption in labour more than anything else.

  • Anonymous

    As long as Dr Fox doesn’t get anywhere near any of them.

  • Anonymous

    If the  economy is not at least on the mend the Tories will not have a hope of winning an election outright and probably not as the largest party. So they better get it right first, everything else comes second. Even Europe. Even the LibDems understand this.

  • DavidL

    Oh I agree but the economy still needs to be rebalanced. The Lib Dem emphasis on personal allowances is good politics but it is bad economics. We are still running a deficit and we need to eliminate it.

    Historically too much of our capital has been tied up in housing but commercial development should definitely have the leash removed. Some new housing should be a part of the mix but it cannot do enough on its own. We need to make things and sell them to the world. There are limits to the extent that can be done with housing.

  • Anonymous

     Fiefdoms?  That is a pretty inane assessment.  What kind of fiefdom is the NHS?

    You are getting confused with Brown who tried and succeeded in using the treasury as a means of controlling the domestic political agenda.
    Swapping ministers achieves very little, and as i repeat natural wastage from whatever source give enough opportunity to move people around.
    Lansley may be politically inept and political skills are important but I distrust political schemers and whilst it may make Lansley an easy mark – it does not make him wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Logically this huge can of worms could lead to a sacking of half the police force.  Heaven knows about grub St.

  • Anonymous

    It is because the EDP are better than Labour is the real reason Labour want to abolish the post of elected mayor. They need their fiefdoms at all costs. A Regional Assembly for the North is next on their plan. The N East Labour MPs are keeping quiet on this subject for some reason.

  • Anonymous

    I see Betfair have the Premier League betting at 27/1, bar the two Manchester sides following Utd’s victory over Liverpool in today’s early kick-off.
    Utd are looking like the value bet at 1.4/1, compared with City at 0.8/1.

  • Anonymous

    I hope Militant take over Liverpool – it will remind people of what New Labour is all about. Liverpool will fail with Militant in charge and Labour know this.

  • MrsB

    Dr House, surely?

  • Anonymous

    Growing up in Scotland our neighbours who went to Whitley Bay (fancy!) for their summer holidays were only marginally north of the equator….

  • Socrates

    Heheheh:

    Riding a wave of momentum from his trio of victories on Tuesday Rick Santorum has opened up a wide lead in PPP’s newest national poll. He’s at 38% to 23% for Mitt Romney, 17% for Newt Gingrich, and 13% for Ron Paul.

    Part of the reason for Santorum’s surge is his own high level of popularity. 64% of voters see him favorably to only 22% with a negative one. But the other, and maybe more important, reason is that Republicans are significantly souring on both Romney and Gingrich. Romney’s favorability is barely above water at 44/43, representing a 23 point net decline from our December national poll when he was +24 (55/31). Gingrich has fallen even further. A 44% plurality of GOP voters now hold a negative opinion of him to only 42% with a positive one.

    So Romney’s approval is almost net negative now amongst Republicans. How the hell is going to win the general after he has to go negative to sink Santorum? The GOP seem to have a choice of three unelectable candidates.

  • Anonymous

     But we had a tory party arguing over the EU, and Lab and LDs (remember Ashdown?) conspiring together to spread the sleaze hysteria.

    Sad really otherwise 1200 people in North Staffs might be still alive.

  • http://tomknoxbooks.com SeanT

    Has the Left closed another newspaper?

    I’ve been out on the town. Have I missed something?

  • Socrates

     If the Sun closes, the blame will be on the people that made it a criminal enterprise.

  • MrsB

    On the press:?

    I know print sales are in decline, but are there any figures available on the relative decline when looking at a) ratio of news to celebrity crap b) political leaning or c) ownership

  • Anonymous

    Interesting article on how Germany has achieved low unemployment by not having a universal minimum wage:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/us-germany-jobs-idUSTRE8170P120120208

  • http://tomknoxbooks.com SeanT

    Did anyone seriously believe that journalists DIDN’T pay cops for leads, and gossip, and stories – in cash or in kind? Arresting hacks for this is like arresting student Marxists for wanking.

    And I am very sure it wasn’t confined to The Sun, or to Murdoch papers. You’d essentially have to arrest most of the real news journalists in Fleet Street.

  • Socrates

    On another topic, I read recently about this headmaster who sacked from his job for his comments on multiculturalism. One of the thing he criticised was South Asian parents taking their kids out of school for months of term time to send them back to the subcontinent. This is obviously against the law, but action would never be taken by the local authority due to “cultural sensitivity”.

    I just spoke to a few teachers and I was alarmed to find out this still happens. Now that Labour are out of power, it’s about time for a clampdown. Not only does this hurt integration, as it encourages children to feel they have another life in their parent’s homeland, but it also screws their education. The full penalty should be made under current law.

    In addition, one of the best anti-poverty policies in Brazil and Mexico was making benefits conditional on school attendance for children. This should be enacted immediately here.

  • Socrates

    The sexual habits of Marxist students generally doesn’t corrupt the organs of state. (No pun intended.)

  • Anonymous

     You are in danger of joining others in drifting off to fantasy land.

  • http://twitter.com/JamesKelly James Kelly

    “I couldn’t help but think how many hours were spent on teaching children in Cardiff how to speak Welsh, rather than Spanish or Mandarin.”

    Bilingualism assists the learning of other languages – just one reason why Gaelic-medium schools are so popular in Scotland.

    If the Welsh people had thought devolution was causing them to fall further behind, they could have voted against law-making powers for the Assembly last year.  They didn’t.  They voted Yes overwhelmingly.

  • Anonymous

    They certainly were not advertising it.   I have met no one who knew about it.   Andrew Neil of the daily politics didn’t know about.   Even Portillo acknowledges that Cameron kept this reform up his sleeve out of fear that it would weaken his prospects.

    With respect you are the one in danger of rewriting history

  • http://tomknoxbooks.com SeanT

    After the revelation that the Millie Dowler smear, that closed the NOTW, was a Guardian lie, I doubt Murdoch will be minded to close The Sun cause some hacks did what hacks do.

    Unless Rupe’s gone gaga (possible) he will realise the need to man up and fight back. Every journalist alive knows that loads of hacks – from all papers and all sides of politics – *pay* cops for tip-offs. Closing the Sun for this – and just the Sun – would be absurd. 

    At the very least all red top tabloids would also have to shut.

  • Socrates

    You somewhat focus on one policy in the article. I imagine the state subsidising jobs would be a far bigger effect. A high minimum wage can certainly hurt employment, but one set at the right level mainly just affects employers who have a monopsony in the local area paying below the market rate.

    I would suggest the main part of Germany’s jobs miracle would be joining the Eurozone at a good exchange rate, and benefitting from the cheap credit that flowed to South Europe.

  • http://www.youtube.com/ajs41#p/p Andy JS

    Amazed to learn that temperatures dropped to -17.8 degrees in Chesham, Bucks last night:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/11/britain-endures-coldest-night-winter

  • http://tomknoxbooks.com SeanT

    Then you will need to shutter every tabloid in the country, if you want this absolute moral purity of the press.

    It’s an absurd ideal which will leave us with a kind of neutered, government approved media, where increasingly enfeebled, unreadable and declining newspapers dare not pry into salacious or controversial topics, for fear of being closed down. And no one will speak truth to power. A bit like France.

    Then you end up with no papers at all. Well done you.

  • Anonymous

    The point is Labour and Left are wedded to multiculturalism. If minorities don’t integrate it all the fault of the evil white male.

  • Socrates

    Do you really believe that time spent learning Welsh would help a child learn Spanish more than spending that time actually learning Spanish?

    As for falling behind, why don’t we look at the actual facts? Wales GDP per head was 76% of England’s in 1997, and is 72% now. Brilliant.

  • Marquee Mark

    Cameron should have an amnesty for the Media for past crimes, together with a Truth and Reconciliation arrangement, on the basis that they admit to their past crimes (which in itself would fill the papers for many months) – and shop those they paid in the police – and the arrangements they had with New Labour politicians. May 2010 seems a fair cut off date…

  • Socrates

     What ridiculous exagerration. Punishing people corrupting the police is “moral purity”.

  • http://twitter.com/JamesKelly James Kelly

    “Do you really believe that time spent learning Welsh would help a child learn Spanish more than spending that time actually learning Spanish?”

    That is such a monumentally stupid argument, it’s hard to know where to start.  It’s like saying that studying geography hinders pupils from learning German.  Yes, you need time for both Welsh and Spanish (and English for that matter), but the Spanish will come a lot easier and quicker if the child is already bilingual.

    “Wales GDP per head was 76% of England’s in 1997, and is 72% now.”

    And your proof that this wouldn’t have happened anyway under full London rule is..?  Remember that devolution in Wales was incredibly limited until last year – if Wales has been struggling, Westminster needs to answer for that as well.

  • Anonymous

    Another Krugman “analysis” which assumes that the £ and $ are both reserve currencies…..

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/cameron-and-the-confidence-fairy-an-update/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

    Funnily enough, he also does not mention the recent positive PMIs either….

    The lady doth protest too much methinks….

  • Anonymous

    we need to build what people need – which is houses.  people are wringing their hands about 48000 vacant shops at a time when shopping is going online – an obvious option.  There’s no shortage of land in the country either if only the crazy rules on change of use were relaxed- I know a village in Suffolk with a population of a few hundred that i worked out could easily cope with another 50 houses just by converting barns, unused silos etc, without concreting over anything.  

  • Anonymous

    The only partnership better than Dave n George is Lambert and Sharp!

    Just had a 50p treble on the horses return £60 so good day so far!

  • http://tomknoxbooks.com SeanT

    BUT THIS IS HOW JOURNALISM IS DONE. 

    Hacks pay cops to go a bit further, and spill a bit more info, possibly at risk to their police careers. Sometimes this will be just to embarrass a celebrity, sometimes it will be for serious reasons, to uncover misdeeds that the police are politically too scared to go near. 

    Let’s take an example. Let’s say some police forces are failing to prosecute “honour killings” in a certain city for fear of offending cultural sensitivities. This happens.

    Now let’s say a young Detective Inspector knows this is happening, and thinks it is wrong, and has evidence. But he is very scared of revealing it, as he is worried the hacks will reveal him as a source = end of career. 

    So he needs an inducement, to take this risk: because he is a fallible human being like the rest of us. Therefore the journalist bribes him. A few grand. Or they take him to a safe house “in Capri” – i.e. they buy him a holiday. And thus a shocking story sees the light of day, and maybe some lives are saved as attitudes adjust.

    Is this morally pure? No. Is this good journalism? I think so. You obviously differ.

  • Mike Smithson

    New thread

  • Chris A

    There is no way out of this fix because the government has not yet identified the problem. Five years ago our rheumatologists were spending about £100k per year. This year it will be about £7 million. You cannot make efficiency savings sufficient to make up that difference. No government has yet grasped the nettle that health has to be rationed. The NHS should do so much – and do it well -and if you want more then you fund it yourself. Who should decide what the NHS can afford? Well NICE is a good model.

    Lansley’s bill never addressed this even before it was amended – it was just about rearranging the deckchairs.

  • Socrates

    If there is a clear moral prerogative for breaking the law, that would usually be enough for someone to be cleared from wrongdoing. But such isolated cases are a ridiculous reason to avoid enforcing the law at all, which is what you seem to want.

    I know as a writer you do work for these newspapers so immoral behaviour becomes normalised. The same thing happened in the MP expense scandal. But anyone else can see that its wrong to pay off police officers. It is essential in a civilised democracy that the police are independent. Corruption is an extremely dangerous slippery slope and has a habit of running away with itself. Wrongdoing must be punished.

  • Socrates

     ”That is such a monumentally stupid argument, it’s hard to know where
    to start.  It’s like saying that studying geography hinders pupils from
    learning German.  Yes, you need time for both Welsh and Spanish (and
    English for that matter), but the Spanish will come a lot easier and
    quicker if the child is already bilingual.”

    Your inability to see the other side of anything astounds me. If you’re only going to spend two hours a week learning Spanish, clearly two hours learning Welsh would help. However, clearly it would be much better to spend four hours learning Spanish, which is the choise we’re talking about. If its true that more hours learning Spanish and less spending geography would better equip students for their future lives and employment then that transfer should also be done.

    “Remember that devolution in Wales was incredibly limited until last
    year – if Wales has been struggling, Westminster needs to answer for
    that as well.”

    So devolution is great except the bits that get worse. Then its Westminster’s fault.

  • Socrates

    Sterling IS a reserve currency….

  • Socrates

    On yet another topic, Suarez is clearly a disgrace to football. Every other player in the league should refuse to shake his hand in future matches.

  • Anonymous

    So if you learn spanish, or french it will help wth your Mandarin, Greek,Latin, Russian..good idea.. Are you pitching for a job in Education in Salmonds bright new world..Learn Gealic and Japanese will be a doddle…good thinking..

  • Chris A

    It doesn’t look like a bill which seeks to privatise the service, but one that allows service providers to take up work at prices set by the NHS. Later in the bill there is much more detail about the pricing structures, but at first glance it appears that for each kind of service there will be a set cost associated with it. 

    Tony this already happens. This bill is not necessary to achieve this. I can get you the link of how much each procedure costs if you would like it.

  • http://twitter.com/JamesKelly James Kelly

    “Your inability to see the other side of anything astounds me.”

    Says the person who has come to the conclusion, based on prejudice rather than logic or statistical data, that “declining educational standards in Wales” can somehow be blamed on the teaching of the Welsh language!

    “If you’re only going to spend two hours a week learning Spanish, clearly two hours learning Welsh would help. However, clearly it would be much better to spend four hours learning Spanish, which is the choise we’re talking about.”

    Why is that the choice we’re talking about?  Justify that assertion, please.

    “If its true that more hours learning Spanish and less spending geography would better equip students for their future lives and employment then that transfer should also be done.”

    And if its true that studying Welsh in addition to Spanish helps pupils to learn Spanish more quickly and easily, your response would be what?  Based on this afternoon, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that it would be “I’m sticking my fingers in my ears, because I’m prejudiced against the Welsh language”.

    “So devolution is great except the bits that get worse. Then its Westminster’s fault.”

    When Westminster chooses to reserve to itself 80-90% of the relevant decision-making, it can certainly be expected to shoulder 80-90% of the blame.

  • Socrates

    “Says the person who has come to the conclusion, based on prejudice
    rather than logic or statistical data, that “declining educational
    standards in Wales” can somehow be blamed on the teaching of the Welsh
    language!”

    I never said that. I simply said that spending time teaching Welsh to kids who come from outside of Welsh areas is a poor educational choice to help the Welsh economy.

    “Why is that the choice we’re talking about?”

    Because it’s the one I suggested in my original post that you took exception to.

    “And if its true that studying Welsh in addition to Spanish helps pupils
    to learn Spanish more quickly and easily, your response would be what?”

    My response would be that there are limited hours in the school week and that spending 100% of the dedicated language time learning Spanish would help them MORE than spending half the time learning Spanish and half the time learning Welsh. It’s not a very difficult thing to understand.

    “Based on this afternoon, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that it
    would be “I’m sticking my fingers in my ears, because I’m prejudiced
    against the Welsh language”.”

    I imagine its hard for you to escape the conclusion that anyone that disagrees with a nationalist position is prejudiced in any conversation.

  • http://twitter.com/JamesKelly James Kelly

    I’ll respond at length to your latest bout of arrogance and illogicality on the next thread.

  • Socrates

     No need. I’m not going to change your mind, I find your arguments so thoroughly unconvincing more won’t change mine, and we’ve both said enough for others to make up their minds, so let’s not takeover the thread.

  • http://twitter.com/JamesKelly James Kelly

    I’m terribly sorry, Socrates, but if I wanted to take orders from you I’d have joined the army.  I’m composing my response now, and (moderation permitting) it will appear on the next thread irrespective of your directives.

  • http://www.facebook.com/janet.king1 Janet King

    No, the Lib Dems were not deficient in the coalition agreement bargaining, which actually secured them much of what they wanted. 75% of LD manifesto policies have become law BUT they did believe that the Conservatives were as honourable as they themselves are ( with one or two recently publicised exceptions). The Lansley Bill policies were mostly not in the coalition agreement at all but were kept well hidden by the Conservative negotiating team even though we now know that they were already being formulated.

  • old_labour

    Welcome to pb.com, Janet. Good to see another poster. Do you have a list of the 75% of LD manifesto policies that are now law or do you have a link to them?

    Still, I believe that your party was well and truly suckered by the Tories. It will be good to have an LD voice here. There do not seem to be too many. I can only think of MrsB and a few others.

  • Anonymous

    Janet, I am in no position to assess the honour of any politician of any party, not knowing any personally.

    However, I have noticed quite a bit (not least, on here) about Lib Dems, electioneering and, say, bar-charts. What I’ve read does not inspire me with any more confidence in the honour of Lib Dems as opposed to any of the rest.