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Newt moves to 9 pt lead in final South Carolina poll

January 21st, 2012

But could there still be a surprise?

It’s voting day in the Republican primary in South Carolina and the latest telephone poll, from PPP, suggests that the ex-house speaker, Newt Gingrich is going to win by a big margin. The figures are Newt 37%: Mitt 28%: Santorum 16%: Paul 14%.

The survey took place over three days and the responses from those interviewed yesterday, after the final debate and the TV interview with Gingrich’s second ex-wife, had a split of 40% to 26%. Other final polls have Gingrich with sizeable margins.

What’s remarkable is the dramatic turnaround that we’ve seen in the past seven days. A week ago PPP had Romney with a comfortable five point lead and the ex-governor of Massachusetts looked all set to make it three out of three in the first states to decide.

Now, following the official verified Iowa result that gave it to Santorum, Romney could end the first phase of this fight with just one state

A Reuters/Ipsos online poll published last Saturday had Romney winning South Carolina by 21 points.

The scale of the polling turnaround in South Carolina is unprecedented and old hands in the US polling industry, like Mark Blumenthal, are urging caution. Clearly things are highly volatile.

There have, however, been some pretty dramatic events including two TV debates when Newt was judged to have performed particularly well. Mitt has been hit by the equivocal way that he has dealt with his personal tax issues, answers which on Thursday night led to him being booed by some in the audience at the final debate.

Voting closes at midnight UK time when we should get the first exit polls.

The betting odds have reflected the dramatic changes. On Tuesday I got on Gingrich at just under 6/1. As I write he’s now 1/7 on Betfair.

  • The Iowa betting aftermath: Bet365 has now joined William Hill in paying out in full on Rick Santorum bets.
  • Mike Smithson @MikeSmithsonOGH




    • Anonymous

      Yvette cooper reminds me of Harold Wilson..with longer hair and without the wit…..

    • Marquee Mark

      Well, I will happily read it.  If it gets past the Gatekeeper, then yes…!

      Ask OGH for my contact details. Do you work on Final Draft? If not, Word/pdf is fine.

    • Anonymous

      Hey Marquee Mark:

      I guess the point I was making is that oil is a fungible commodity, and if oil is sent from Canada to China, then it will displace barrels that would be sent there from somewhere else. So, Keystone XL might make America feel better about getting oil more locally, but it doesn’t really add to any ‘energy security’.

      When I say this is mostly about refining, I speak as a fairly knowledgeable party. I am an investor in a number of Canadian oil companies, and am a regular visitor to Calgary and Fort McMurray. The oil produced from oil sands – except in the rare cases where it has been put through an upgrader to become syncrude – is mostly very heavy and bitumanous. There is limited heavy oil processing capability in Canada and northern US (Husky and BP own a refinery in Detroit that is currently being upgraded to handle heavy crude), and this has limited the growth of the oil sands industry.

      The gulf coast refinieries – Texas, etc – are ‘complex’ and are capable of processing these heavy crudes. As Mexican and Venezuelan production has tailed off, imports into the US have increasingly been of – more expensive – lighter oils. (Nigerian Bonny and UK Brent are both light oil, for example.) This means the refineries are not making anywhere near as much money as they might, and it restricts the growth of production from the Canadian oil sands. (Although I would note there are other barriers to increased production in Canada -not least the extraordinary cost inflation in Northern Alberta.)

    • MrsB

      Good explanation but does not account for why he said he needed the woman in the lab (Molly?).  Surely she helped set something up?
      My husband and I thought that the reason the little kidnapped girl screamed at the sight of Sherlock was that Moriarty wore a Holmes mask during the kidnapping.  So did Sherlock push Moriarty off the roof wearing the Holmes mask?

    • Plato

      I think he must be referring to changes made to the weightings ages ago – when they took out the NOTW etc.

      Don’t recall anything else being mentioned since then and seemed unlikely that we’d missed it.

      Straw clutching if it isn’t.

    • MrsB

      If administrators make mistakes, then they should be the ones forking out for them.  They are the ones raking in all the money from all the companies that are falling over.

    • Tissue Price

      Interesting – although I always take hypothetical polling with a pinch of salt, a marked increase for one or more of the others (except Blair) will help to push a narrative.

      A pity (seriously!) that they didn’t include Gordon Brown, for reference.

    • Tissue Price

      Administration is a licence to print.  I’m still in receipt of occasional cheques from my brief time at Enron.

    • MrsB

      exactly.  Deloittes are not exactly cash-strapped.

    • Plato

      I find it remarkable how little Gordon is ever mentioned – its like everyone wants to forget he was PM…!

    • Anonymous

      Does she smoke a pipe? Or cigars?

    • Anonymous

      I think the clue was in Sherlock asking Molly to help him with something in the Lab before this.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks. I will send you a pdf.
      A critique is always welcome. I am researching a couple of other projects as well.

    • Anonymous

      Yvette is Harold in reverse. Apparently Harold wasn’t actually much of a pipesmoker but felt it was good for his public image, while Yvette is a fiend for the briar only in private.

    • Marquee Mark

      You hit on an important issue with cost inflation – I expect that to be one of the issues that dogs the development of shale gas…

    • http://tomknoxbooks.com SeanT

      I am about to disappear into the dulcet tropical twilight for a few Bombay Sapphires.

      But before I do, it’s worth looking again at that ComRes list of “alternative” Labour leaders, just to underline how incestuously tiny and privileged is the coterie that constitutes the Labour elite.

      Harriet Harman – private school, niece of the Countess of Longford

      Ed Balls – private school, studied PPE at Oxford University, married to Yvette Cooper

      Yvette Cooper – studied PPE at Oxford University, married to Ed Balls

      Chuku Umunna – grandson of Sir Helenus Milmo QC, nephew of a QC

      Alistair Darling – private school, great nephew of Sir William Darling

      Tony Blair – private school, studied at Oxford University

      David Miliband – studied PPE at Oxford University, brother of Ed Miliband

      Ed Miliband – studied PPE at Oxford University, brother of David Miliband

      Them’s your choices, folks: a vast and wide array of talent, diverse and enriching, drawing on all corners of British society, as befits the party of the working classes and the downtrodden, the party of the people.

      Puke.

    • Anonymous

      Enjoy reading this blog as a lurker but finding all this criticism of bookies on this Romney / Santorum mess a bit churlish and suspect it to be driven entirely by personal gain as opposed to rational assessment – as a disinterested party it seems just as reasonable for Romney backers to have been paid as Santorum – the very most they should be getting is a voiding of the bet given the unusual circumstances

    • firstlight40

      It’s not just that, the Deloitte as administrators have access to the most expensive legal experts (they charge enough for them), to not know this rather basic fact of employment law relating to redundancy is really quite negligent.

    • Anonymous

      ‘Good explanation but does not account for why he said he needed the
      woman in the lab (Molly?).  Surely she helped set something up?’

      Snap! :D That is what I thought when the credits rolled without us finding out how Molly helped Sherlock. Also think that considering the whole Moriarty plot was about not just discrediting Holmes, but destroying him. It was then no surprise the little girl screamed at him after being kidnapped by Moriarty.

    • Anonymous

      Well I can well understand this being down to personal interest.  Seems to me the bookies paid out too soon and not on the official result.
      Of course the GOP do not run their primaries for the benefit of punters. But bookies should abide by their own rules.

    • Anonymous

      After that John King attack on Newt on the CNN debate.  Here is my Favourite CNN example of their journalistic integrity.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZPNJeTvv8&feature=player_embedded

    • Anonymous

      Yes; gave Harold an image he carefully cultivated. Someone (here I think) pointed out that in private he smoked cigars.

      When one thinks of the stick poor old Nick Clegg got and still gets for admitting to te occasional cigarette …….

    • Anonymous

      I have no idea what her personal habits are..

    • Anonymous

      ‘Tony Blair – private school, studied at Oxford University’ – poshest private school in Scotland.

      Brown is of course from poor if modestly privileged stock – and that just shows that just because to know how poor the world is at the age of 8 does not make good leadership prime ministerial material.

      Millibands – sons of academic Marxist cosy middle class intellectual.

    • Anonymous

      Aside from disaster relief the government shouldn’t be giving any money away on overseas aid unless it can be shown to be directly helping British interests.

      Actually it shouldn’t be giving money away at all – aid should be in the form of material goods and services, preferably produced in Britain. Thereby reducing losses due to corruption.

      It would also be preferable if instead of the government choosing the aid projects themselves every adult or taxpayer in this country was given their own ‘aid allowance’ whereby the government would double up any personal contributions. A ‘Big Society’ idea which would be more likely to get the aid to those who deserve it.

      At present though overseas aid decisions are based upon how much guilt western politicians feel, how much overseas politicians need to be bribed and how big the photo opportunities are.
       

    • Anonymous

      Labour prefer to not talk about their last three, well last 4 prime ministers.
      Wilson seems to be strangely blanked out.  I suspect they would all prefer to sing the praises of Foot.

    • Marquee Mark

      Yvette Cooper…smoking the pipe…Ed Balls…

      Enough!  You’ll set off a Certain Someone who will cite the Certain Reason that Yvette can never be PM…

    • Anonymous

      From our ‘Well I never’ department

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16663332

      ‘Man shoots nail into brain without noticing’

    • Plato

      Indeed – short-circuit the whole thing and talk about Ramsey McDonald and Clem Attlee.

    • Anonymous

      Er, the former is the traitor of all traitors. Just Clem I’m afraid.

    • Anonymous

      @anthonyjwells: Otherwise sensible @libcon post, but the implication for the unwary is that Labour’s recent troubles are from methodology changes…(1 of 2)

      @anthonyjwells: They aren’t – the methodology changes were months ago, the recent poll movements are genuine shifts in public opinion (2 of 2)

    • Neil

      “Just Clem I’m afraid. ”

      And Gaitskell of course, the greatest PM we never had ;)

    • Anonymous

      I know I should not post clips from the Mail (I did scroll past all the bulimia and cellulite stories) but I know there are a few film buffs on here.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2089506/The-ultimate-film-buff-Man-decides-watch-600-movies-released-2011–doing-year.

      ‘Man decides to watch all 600 movies released in 2011… and is doing the same this year’

    • Anonymous

      This explains things then – I had thought it was recent.  I think Plato’s reply was effectively the same.

    • Plato

      Crikey they’re a picky bunch :^)

    • stjohn

      Thanks to Peter Ould for pursuing this with Betfair and to PtP for ponting out such helpful evidence. It’s very encouraging that Ladbrokes have paid out. Shadsy’s initial position was very clear: Romney had been “declared” the winner and that was that. 

      So Hills, Ladbrokes, Stan James and Bet365 have all paid out. Paddy Power too I think? Anyone else? It looks like most, if not all the bookies will pay out on the “winner” Santo. 

      I have £500 at stake. Mike has a significant sum too. Don’t know how much?

      If all the bookies pay out but Betfair don’t, they will have behaved shabbily. 

      Fingers crossed. 

    • Plato

      So straw clutching. Way down thread, I mentioned info from Sky reporter that Labour can’t understand why they’re polling so feebly.

      I assume this effort from Dr Clark is an attempt to find an unrelated reason in preference to no policies, terrible leader, contradicting themselves.

    • Anonymous

      Broadly I think that is the idea behind aid policy.
      This should indeed be the case I think and preferable to fighting wars.  Indeed the hope is that aid and influence will pre-empt wars.

    • Anonymous

      “Labour can’t understand why they’re polling so feebly.”

      Ed Miliband is Crap.

      Nothing else matters.

    • Anonymous

      What has happened to ScottP and Simon StClaire, neither have been around lately?

    • MrsB

      I know one thing, if they don’t explain it at the start of the next series, there may well be rioting in the streets. 

    • http://twitter.com/MorrisF1 Morris Dancer

      Some protestors have Occupied a building with holey floors and asbestos. Perhaps not the smartest of moves.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16665217

      F1: the Lotus/Ferrari height adjustment system has been banned, having previously been declared legal:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/16664827.stm

    • Floater

      Be honest Southam, you are a Labour man through and through.

      you just couldn’t bring yourself to vote for Brown,but you will be running back for more next time.

    • Anonymous

      Simon is certainly about….he doing a lot of ‘likes’ on sound posts!

    • MrsB

      BTW, now that EiT has unmasked SeanT, is it not time for Mr Pork to own up to being a Welshman who voted for Lembit last time?

      And as for James Kelly, his mother is Chinese from Shanghai and his father is former Russian KGB agent, now a mafioso in Khabarovsk.  His aim is to get rid of the British nuclear deterrent so that North Korea can invade.

    • MrsB

      BTW, now that EiT has unmasked SeanT, is it not time for Mr Pork to own up to being a Welshman who voted for Lembit last time?

      And as for James Kelly, his mother is Chinese from Shanghai and his father is former Russian KGB agent, now a mafioso in Khabarovsk.  His aim is to get rid of the British nuclear deterrent so that North Korea can invade.

    • George Bown

      great photo Mike, clearly shows Romney flinching under Newts attack.

    • George Bown

      great photo Mike, clearly shows Romney flinching under Newts attack.

    • Charles

      So according to you Labour is now in the hands of ther left, even
      though the left – or what is left of it – is denouncing the leadership
      for selling out to the Tories and the Blairites.

      Who are these people that you are talking to?

      This is contemptuous and patronising.  That’s discourteous in my book.

    • Charles

      So according to you Labour is now in the hands of ther left, even
      though the left – or what is left of it – is denouncing the leadership
      for selling out to the Tories and the Blairites.

      Who are these people that you are talking to?

      This is contemptuous and patronising.  That’s discourteous in my book.

    • Anonymous

      ‘I know one thing, if they don’t explain it at the start of the next series, there may well be rioting in the streets’

      Mrs B, you are right. :D

    • Anonymous

      Thanks JohnO, that is good news. Both are missed.

    • Plato

      The results of the ComRes poll will be entertaining whatever they say re Who’d be best leader. It’s not going to be good for EdM, it stirs up the rest and if Tony got pole position, that’d be hilarious.

      IIRC YouGov had a smaller gene pool when they asked the same question last week.

    • Charles

      I saw an article in the Spectator suggesting our old friend Chukka as a serious candidate for leader.

      I don’t understand the inner-workings of the Labour party, but surely that and the Rachel Reeves story have to be garbage.  They may have potential, but they are far too young and callow to be party leader (Rachel is just 32).  They will get trounced.

      At best for Labour this is the media being lazy.  If they are serious candidates than that is a terrible indictment of the strength of the Labour benches

    • Tissue Price

      Betfair are in a trickier position than standard bookies since they have to be fair to backers and layers; everything will hinge on whether the declaration given on the night is considered to be an “official result” (NB I realise it isn’t the final result).

      And since it’s you: Animals that Dec has a fear of? (9)

    • Anonymous

      The fact that the ComRes poll is even asking that question less than 18 months into Ed Miliband’s leadership is very negative for him and the Labour party.

    • stjohn

      Anteaters?

    • Anonymous

       The Reeves story is from HenryG, who tipped Ed long before the result.

      If he says she is on maneuvers, it’s probably true.

      A long train ride to Edinburgh to have dinner with Alastair Darling is strangely reminiscent of Tom Watson “passing by” with presents for Gordon’s kids just when he happened to be plotting to oust Blair.

    • Tissue Price

      Nope, but right lines…

    • Tissue Price

      They are too young, but maybe it’s a recognition of what the Tories learnt the hard way: relics of the old regime struggle to shake it off.  Now if first-time MPs were 40 rather than 30…

    • stjohn

      Antelopes. 

    • Mike Quigley

      Have to disagree with you regarding betfair. All the fixed odds’ firms have paid out on both results. Betfair can and should do the same without affecting punters who won on Romney.

    • Tissue Price

      Yes, but on reflection Anteaters is fine too!  “Herd animals…” would be better!

    • stjohn

      Spot on. Betfair should take the hit, just like the bookies. Like the bookies, they made the wrong call, so should pay out twice. 

    • Anonymous

      Agreed, and it also points to the fact that then next Labour Leader should not allow themselves to become as disconnected from their Scottish base.

    • Tissue Price

      They may well do in the end!  But I can understand why Betfair are more reluctant than most to ‘bend’ their rules given they need to retain the confidence of layers too.  If they do pay out that will mean every back bet on Romney or Santorum is a winner and every lay bet on them is a winner too (though I’d expect users just to be paid the higher of their two net positions).

    • Charles

      Encouraging the education of women in developing countries, promoting vaccination, supporting microfinance projects, assisting economic development all make developing countries wealthier.

      Wealthier countries provide more opportunities for their indigenous population, discouraging emigration and reducing the likelihood that they will declare war.  Additionally, wealthier countries (where wealth is well spread) are less conducive to the growth of radical fundamentalist religion.  Furthermore, wealthier countries are more likely to become markets for our exports.

      All these tend to make us “richer and safer” – providing that it is well targeted.

    • Charles

      Administrators are usually pretty good at limiting their liability in their engagement letters.  However, this sounds like it could be pretty close to gross negligence (without any knowledge of the specific facts beyond the newspapers).  Suggest the Official Receiver should go after Deloitte in court and see what they can get.

    • Anonymous

      Not sure that is the end of the story.

    • Charles

      You sounds like your views on overseas aid were developed in the 1980s and you haven’t reviewed the new style of aid.

      Money isn’t given to governments anymore precisely because of corruption (in the 1980s it was fine as the purpose was to keep the dictators on side)

      Material goods aren’t that useful because they need repairs (which can’t be afforded) or need infrastructure (which often doesn’t exist) or can be stolen. Fair better to build intangible skills (health, education) which can enable individuals to improve themselves

      The problem with the “aid allowance” idea is that most of it would end up going to well known but bureaucratic and ineffective NGOs (without naming names) – and would probably result in significant advertising spend by the NGOs to attract those allowances.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1720673898 Alan Baylis

      How about – Sherlock asked Molly for some blood that he could use to pretend he had a serious head injury when he hit the ground. Molly also set up the staff to race out with the stretcher to collect Sherlock and take him inside to recover from the non-fatal fall. Meanwhile as Watson raced over to see how Holmes was one of the Baker Street Irregulars had been tasked to knock him over so he is not capable of detecting a pulse on Sherlock in the brief seconds he is allowed before he is taken away. 

    • Anonymous

      Clearly SeanT is implicated.  Perhaps part of MK Greater East Cornwall Co-Prosperity Sphere???

    • Marquee Mark

      It’s not just that Ed Miliband is crap.  The whole of Labour is crap.  In the worst economic mess for decades, with Coalition partners still working out the boundaries of their respective powers, and a whole raft of newbies to Government still making mistakes, Labour have been presented with many large rocks with which to load their trebuchet. But they seem to have no idea of how to fire these weapons without dropping rocks on each other!

      The economy will improve.  The Coalition will work out their strengths and weaknesses.  The work experience Ministers will get their work experience. It is only going to get harder for Labour over the next three years in the run up to the election.

    • Mike Quigley

      Someone has just posted in the betfair forum that betfair has told them that the whole Iowa situation will be investigated further on Monday.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WTG6U5PYRICSYYJPFKSYOVIN4A Jimmy

      Peter – any progress with Betfair?

    • http://www.peter-ould.net Peter Ould

      Jimmy – I’m sending this tonight (with some edits) if I hear nothing by close of business.

      http://www.peter-ould.net/media/betfair.pdf