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Survation has UKIP into double figures

November 26th, 2011

But is this down to the methodology change?

In what is only its second national voting intention survey Survation, for the Daily Star Sunday, is reporting a share for UKIP which is markedly higher than the other pollsters. Unlike its first poll this one was carried out online.

In its first poll earlier in the month Survation used the telephone and found just 4% saying they would vote UKIP – so a massive difference between that and these latest numbers.

As can be seen from the chart a total of 22% of support went to parties which are traditionally categorised as others. That’s an extraordinarily high percentage.

I have discussed the methodology with the firm which has promised a blog post explaining how it was carried out. I will postpone my comment on that until after the explanation is published.

Whatever this is a real boost for the anti-EU party and comes at a difficult time for all three of the main parties on the issue.

Tonight’s YouGov poll for the Sunday Times has CON 34: LAB 43: LD 11 – so Labour with a nine point lead.

UPDATE: Has Survation fallen for YouGov’s Scottish trap?

The pollster has now explained the methodology that was used. The key point was this:-

“In this new survey we listed all parties in the the order of votes received in the 2010 General Election while randomising the top FOUR parties to the survey taker to avoid a common pitfall of online surveys – eg clicking the top answer.”

This meant that UKIP was given a much higher level of prompt than in any other poll which almost certainly explains some of the difference between its phone poll share of 4% and the the latest survey’s 11%. The firm says that the conventional approach “biases the poll in favour of those three prompted parties to the detriment (or not) of the “others”.

YouGov’s Anthony Wells, has put up a post on UKPR arguing that the conventional approach is not producing inaccurate shares for minor parties when tested against real elections.

YouGov has been down this prompting road before. In the Holyrood elections in 2007 the firm’s conventional prompt was changed half way through the campaign to include minor parties. This boosted support for “others” from 11% to 19%, and saw the Scottish Greens going from 4% to 9% in the final poll. The party ended up getting 4%.

What we need is a means of testing the potential for minor parties in a manner that works. There has been some interesting work recently on this which I’ll cover in the next post.

Mike Smithson @MikeSmithsonPB




  • http://www.the-tap.blogspot.com Tapestery

    Sie mek viz zer laughing. Hahahaha!

    Nein! Hitler never vonted a vor viz ze Englander. It vaz ze bankerz zat orchestrated ze vor. Herr Braun vent to Amerika und produzieren raketen und fliegenmaschinen hat.

    Hitler voz a Rothschild bastard, und voz a Britisch agent.

  • Plato

    “Who could do a better job of leading right now?”

    I’m sure Chris Huhne could suggest someone ;^)

  • Anonymous

    PR systems encourage small parties. A FPTP system encourages broader parties, the government coalition deal being done before the election, rather than after.

  • Anonymous

    A lib con seat is a lib con seat because there are no labour voters. The logic is that no labour voter would vote labour in any seat they were not in a chance of winning; something that would be repeated for all parties everywhere and so half the voters vote for someone they don’t want.

    It must be the object of both LD and Con voters to keep labour out. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    This poll being featured shows Labour on 34 with just a 2 point lead. Hardly brilliant.
    UKIP on 11? Who knows anything about UKIP, anything at all. Polls like this are worse than worthless.

  • Anonymous

    Because while all animals are equal some animals are more equal than others.

    Orwell knew what he was talking about.

    And don’t forget the motto of the middle class leftist – ‘do as I say not as I do’.

  • Anonymous

    My dear fellow – your party has now become irrelevant and the only thing you can cling onto is some polling numbers. What an arrigance to think that you can elect two leaders on the trot who are totally unelectable.

    Where is Labour on the great debates of the day? Whatvare its ideas.

    You have become a pathetic shower of non-entities.

  • Anonymous

    They defended an attack on Libya.

    Labour voters were happy to maintain a no fly zone on Iraq and also happy to support sanctions which were killing innocent children.

  • IoS

    The problem you’ve got is that you have to go back to those Labour supporters with and convince them. And at the moment I don’t see how you do that.

    Here is my challenge to you and all other Lib Dems.

    Imagine a representative conversation with a Labour voter in a Con/Lib seat in 2015. I want you to tell me how you win this person round.

    ————-

    Hello I’m from the Liberal Democrats. 0Can I have your vote?

    What? Why? You went into coalition with the Tories.

    Yes we did, but we didn’t have a choice. We couldn’t have formed a coalition with Labour last time. There just wasn’t the seats. Now after the next election we have already said that we will go into coalition with the party that has most seats. That’s only fair surely? And Chris Huhne has hinted that we would prefer Labour. So you are helping Labour by voting Lib Dem here

    But there is no difference between you and the Tories. You are just the same. Why should I believe you. You will just form a government with them again. And you have made no difference to this government, in fact, you have helped the Tories put through policies they didn’t have the votes to do. This NHS stuff wouldn’t have happened without you!!

    We’re really not the same as the Tories, we have stamped our influence all over government. Surely you rather see us bringing in progressive laws than not at all

    But what have you actually done. As far as I can see you did things like Treble tuition fee’s so that my children will now have £20k of extra debt each. Thanks for that. That wouldn’t have happened without you! What have you done that is positive? That makes up for you giving us a Tory Government? What can you show me after 5 years that makes up for that, makes me believe that this country is better for your involvement. And shows me you are just not a Tory light government?

    *Firefly and all other Lib Dems – please finish off the conversation*

  • Anonymous

    “there is no difference between you and the Tories. You are just the same”

    Clearly these are potential UKIP voters.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting side thought there. Wonder if the coalition has actually reduced the likelyhood of ‘tactical’ voting for LD’s. The left leaning voters in an LD/Con marginal would be loathe to vote LD as they’ve already seen that the LD’s will jump into bed with whoever will promise them a few crumbs of power.

    The right leaning voters in a LD/Labour marginal would be similarly loathe to vote for the LD’s for precisely the same reason. They’ve seen the LD’s hold their noses and enter into a coalition with a party that is not their natural bent so how much more likely is it that they’d coalesce with Labour in a more natural alliance.

  • Anonymous

    Ios

    and what are labour going to say when they bang on the doors,are you going to reverse the tuition fee’s,are you going to reverse the military cuts,are you going to put more money in the nhs and so on and on and on.

    unless you bullsh!t like you did in 1997,you might get away with it ;-)

  • Anonymous

    “Who could do a better job of leading right now?”

    I’m sure Chris Huhne could suggest someone ;^)

    His wife?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrea-Parma/578831001 Andrea Parma

    “Where is Labour on the great debates of the day”

    where are the great debates of of the day??

    Let’s be frank: right, left, technocratic governments…they all don’t have a clue on how to come out of this mess which is afflicting almost all of us

  • MrsB

    Actually you have misinterpreted me. I meant it the other way round. You are happy to support asking people when you think they will give the answer you want, but when they don’t (HS2 and airports) you don’t want to ask them because they won’t give you the answer you want.

    That is the same level of hypocrisy as you level at europhiles who you say don’t want a referendum because people won’t give them the answer they want.

    The EU is a MUCH MORE complicated issue than either HS2 or an airport in the Thames. And the fact you think it is simple puts you in with the numpties.

    *Maybe my insulting skills are coming along, even without SeanT’s help.

  • IoS

    Oh dear Mike.

    Your think skin is getting in the way of you thinking things through. As a conaquence you have picked up on a pretty weak line of argument.

    Let’s just look at the headline from the Torygraph today.

    Osborne’s pain relief for ‘squeezed middle’

    Now who has been using that term?

  • moses

    “What can you show me after 5 years that makes up for that, makes me believe that this country is better for your involvement.”

    Labour and in particular Gordon Brown was removed from power.

  • http://www.the-tap.blogspot.com Tapestery

    It was Gustav Weber. Source – Grey Wolf by Simon Dunstan and Gerrard Williams.

  • Anonymous

    One has to laugh at IoS criticising Mike Smithson’s for being ”in denial” if anyone’s being in denial it’s IoS, and simlar Labourites on PB.